Jarrahdale Circuit MX C**kheads
Posted June 28th, 2009 by random biker
Just got back from Jarrahdale get some practice in and that sort of thing..
and came across a couple of Boneheads of the petrol (2 KTM's no plates)variety cutting up the 6hr marked track.
gave them a few choice words!! luckily they obliged but with a one finger salute as they rode off.
ride safe peeps and keep you eyes peeled for them not so much as trail damage but they tend to be moving at a fair rate of knots, if they have plates make a note.
Steve
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Not good news.
Thanks for the heads up.
Dave
www.wembleycycles.com
Vehicles
Steve,
Did you happen to see the vehicles they were driving? The ranger at Jarrahdale has told me that they'll try and prosecute trail bike riders if we can given them make, model, rego information on the bikes or their vehicles.
Dunno how serious the rangers are but it's gotta be worth a try. Last time I ran across them they'd set up a camp at the gazebo...
__________________________Alex
fight fire with fire?
As members of a marginal recreational society yourself, you might like to reach for a little compassion when considering the situation. Or at least when choosing your adjectives. These guys are just doing what they enjoy doing, not much different from us. They want trails just as we do.
I know this subject has been done to death in onine discussions, this forum included, but I'd like to put my 2 cents in and reflect that generating animosity via verbal conflict isn't really a way forward. Now I wasn't there and maybe they were just "dumb motox bogons", but perhaps striking up a conversation from a 'hey, hows it going, having fun?" attitude and then explaining how tearing the corners out of the trails is really shit for the mountain bikers they were built for, might generate a seed of respect and care, as opposed to generating a bird and a handul of throttle through the rest of the trail as they leave.
You must have put a lot of
You must have put a lot of thought into replying to this thread
Pity you did?nt read the original opening
?gave them a few choice words!! luckily they obliged but with a one finger salute as they rode off.?
I did speak kindly all touchy feely if you like?and the reponse was the bird
thankfully no wheel spin.
And that?s right you weren?t there! So don?t presume I did?nt try I?ve got better things to do than get into a punch up on my own in the middle of nowhere.
But when a motorcross bike is hooking along on clearly marked trails,one can only come to one conclusion.
they don?t give a Shit!
tell you what! just for an experiment if you see them yourself why don't you offer them a cup of tea and a biscuit have nice little chat about respect..see how far it gets you
cos i could do with a laugh
Vechicles
Sorry i didn't see the vehicles! if any ...they could have been locals for all i know.
MX Riders
The MX Riders know it's a mountain bike area, it's sign posted on your way in to Langford and has been for some time. They just don't care. These guys must think that MTBing is below them. Little do they realise that alot of MX, MotoGP and Super Bike racing professionals also ride MTBs for fun, fitness and to become better at what they do. There are plenty of other areas around Jarrahdale besides Langford to ride motorbikes, but they are refusing to. They think it's better to show off how little common sense they have and ride around a MTB trail. What happens when your out riding with your mates, one collides with one of these idiots? The result may only be minor or it could also be fatul. The decision is up to governing bodies to act now before someone is seriously injured.
Millsbritish that is an
Millsbritish that is an interesting response toa fair comment from Maxfacta.
I also saw some guys out there while I was marking the course on Saturday and I stopped them and asked them if they could leave and they also obliged but not before doing a little bit of damage. I also explained that we had worked hard to get that area and they should stick to the fire roads. I also managed to keep up with one of them who was pretyt bad and had no helmet.
As for the ara being signposted for mountain biking. I've only seen one sign and that tells mountain bikers where to park. My idea of a signed mountain bike area is slightly different.
consideration
I ride enduro moto (never been through jarrahdale). But i also ride mtb. I have a strong passion for both. The inconsideration is that there are tracks for enduro and tracks for mtb. Both need to have the same amount of consideration. NO mountain bikers on enduro tracks, NO moto riders on mtb tracks. Its simple... correct monitoring and signage will hopefully prevent any issues. I ride my moto on enduro tracks or fireroads, but i have the consideration to not use mtb tracks for moto use. Its all about how nice the people riding are. There are ignorant people on both sides.
__________________________However i believe the most annoying people on mtb tracks are walkers.....
i RiDE bIKeS soMEtIMes
Dickheads in all walks (and wheels) of life
IMHO there are dickheads in all sports and all walks (and wheels) of life.
I am sure that the vast majority of our two wheel breathren that get their power from their hands are very nice people that don't rip up our MTB tracks . . . .
And then there are probably those that are ignorant and don't appreciate the damage they do to MTB tracks . .
and then there are the dickheads, the complete bogins who don't give a toss and probably get a secret thrill (Like any vandal does) from creating nothing and distroying something.
We don't have a problem with the first group . .
There is nothing short of prosecution or execution that we can do about the third group . .
So our efforts must be aimed at the second group.
So yes, try communicating - and it will soon become obvious which of the two groups we run into you are talking to . . . . . .if they are receptive, we can turn them into group one.
Otherwise, get the car numbers and report them - and keep reporting them . . . . .
Nothing else will work on the third group.
Constant pressure to the point where it's more effort for them not to ride MTB tracks then it is to ride it.
Starting a war will not work. Bogins are like that.
My 10c worth.
Y
Bog bog.
Isn't it spelt Bogan.
Yes Mr Fancy pants.
Yes... Mr Fancy pants. :P
Kiwis
Isn't it spelt Bogan.
Not if you're Kiwi,.. apparently?
"Ms" Fancy Pants more like it.
Also, I think Maxfacta was joking.
I've been roosted before... I took it as kinda like a "I'm bigger and faster than you... whatcha gonna do about it". Much like people in cars yelling and throwing stuff at cyclists, then speeding off- "catch me if you can" type thing.
Regarding the cars and trailers, it's difficult to link the motos with the cars unless you physically see them loading/unloading. Report the wrong car/trailer, and some poor bugger doing the right thing might get done!
Priorities
I make observations on what's going on in an important area and all people care about is my spelling?
I can tell where your priorities lie . . .
Y
These are not the droids
"These are not the droids you seek..." he says with a wave of his hand.
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moto riders are d#$&heads
they know exactly what they are doing is wrong, they dont care.they had various places allocated to ride and done the wrong thing and now they have lost their areas.they cruise our forums read the directions shown on sites like this.there is hundreds of fire roads and old logging trails they can ride but they persist on doing the wrong thing and ride in our designated areas and abuse or threaten anyone who tells them to piss off.instead of whinging about it and being little pussy why not stand up and fight.i think the trails we have are worth fighting for,yes i do try and pick fights with motos when i catch them and mostly they just ride off and abuse you from a safe distance.harden up people, actions speak louder than words!!! oh yer if you think you come across cars or utes that you think might belong to motos check the trailers for fuel cans and straps, usually a big THOR or YAMAHA sticker is a bit of a give away too, let em know you paid their camp a visit, i do ;). maybe we can get ronnie johns to put a post on, harden the f**k up
Moto Riders
badchef, i think you need to calm down a bit. The suggestions you make are going to cause more harm than good for your cause. Have the "fights" you've gone out of your way to provoke really prevented further use of mtb trails by motos? I strongly doubt it. All it does is further separate two sports that are really very similar, it's been said before that many moto riders also ride mtbs and vise-versa. And it's not like mountain bikers do no wrong, last time i checked the bibbulman track was a walking only trail, yet on multiple occasions I've witnessed mountain bikers using it. Also, if someone were to see a moto trailer parked somewhere, doesn't necessarily mean they are riding illegally anyway, if they are registered they are allowed anywhere cars are.
I like Steve McQueens
I like Steve McQueens attitude in The Great Escape to motorcyclists
I like strawberry pancakes
I like strawberry pancakes with maple syrup
mmmmm....pancakes
you're on to a winner there
PANCAKES FOR PEACE
Maxfactor and Sharpie are on to something here all mtbers should carry pancakes in their camel backs so when they see a MXer out on the trails you simply rip out the pancakes and cream and have a nice little chat and then we all become friends.Problem solved.
PM me if you want to hitch up for a ride i would like to meet you.
cheers Dannyboy .
P.S BRING PANCAKES.
As for the signage I was
As for the signage I was referring to the marking out for various enduro?s ! But as for the comment by Maxfacta, and me being a little harsh , well maybe I was ..but to say? they?re only doing what they enjoy doing? and that makes what they?re doing ok then does it..just having a bit of fun. Hope I never see the day when it all goes pear shaped.
Unfortunately I?ve run into mx bikes in place they shouldn?t be on a few occasions (and I?m not generalizing when I say mx boneshead or even C**kheads) (I was referering to the pair I met that day at jarrahdale) mostly at John forrest np and had some very near misses and ?hi how are you today? enjoying blasting through a national park ? just doesn?t cut it somehow, so forgive me for being a little cynical.
Sadly I don?t think anyone will ever stop it . mainly because of the size of area?s involved and the amount of access points! dunno how you fix that one, Lots of money I suppose.
I originally posted this thread to let people know that the track was being ripped up prior to an event,and also to keep a weatherly eye out mx riders on fire roads and or Mtb trails especially where the Mtb trail and fireroads intersect. Stirring up the pot was not my intent.
i'll prefer maple syrup
i prefer maple syrup
Touchy subject. There's
Touchy subject.
There's always someone who wants to stick their spoon in the pot :)
I dunno about you, but I frequent 'walker only' trails. Can't hep but see the parallel. Aside from the negligable destruction that mtb causes, Vs mx.
When we have dedicated (or dual use) trails as awesome as some of the walk trails in the nearby hills, then I'll stay off those walk-only trails. And I can't see why a traibikel rider wouldn't feel the same way. If these mystical MTB tracks hovering somewhere in the future are built properly, trailbikes can be discouraged via track design to the point where they won't even bother.
And thanks for letting everyone know that motorbikes have been using the Jarrahdale 6-hour circuit; it's a busy time for that trail atm.
State of play
Rode the 6hr course this morning and although there is some evidence of MX tracks it is in pretty good shape - thankfully.
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lol
lol this thread is better then a book, and yes i to ride mtb and motobikes and i would recomend a good track (tracks) at pickering brook it is very similiar to jarrahdle but is designatet to motorbike riders :)
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Where abouts in Pickering
Where abouts in Pickering brook? I thought it was all np up there and bartons mill is private land these days.
MX vs MTB at PB
I ride (MTB) at Pickeringbrook all the time and havent seen MX or anything that says it's MX.
However, other then the Ho and the other side of the vally back up to PB (and I havent seen any sign of MX there - too tight), the rest is flat and flatout - perfect for those that use their hands!!
dirtbike debate
I ride dirtbikes and MTB and i can tell you riders of both like exactly the same things! Tight twisty single track, steep descents, tough uphills... Just like with MTB dirtbikes don't have enough places to ride. As with MTB a few knobs ruin things for everyone else.
As for me I ride dirtbikes well out of the way in south west forests where you wouldn't see anyone let alone a MTBer. But around Perth and other populated areas theres not many places you can ride without disturbing someone else. This even appklies to mtbs - especially riding on walk trails or illegal singletrack.
The argument will go around and around because thwere is no right or wrong. Only education and respect for each others COMMON interest will get us anywhere. If a dirtbiker finds a nice piece of singletrack they'll ride it but if they know its a MTB trail the responsible riders will steer clear.
Two sides to every story. Abusing anyone isn't going to help. Its just unfortunate that there are so many knobs out there. Please don't add to that number!
SicK 360 inverted Pancake
If it isn?t the walkers complaining about the mountain bikers, it's the mountain bikers complaining out the Moto's
Enough said !
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Yargiemeister
I ride (MTB) at Pickeringbrook all the time and havent seen MX or anything that says it's MX.
However, other then the Ho and the other side of the vally back up to PB (and I havent seen any sign of MX there - too tight), the rest is flat and flatout - perfect for those that use their hands!!
TOO TIGHT MY ARSE!! I saw motos cutting up the ho recently- dislodging numerous man hours of building and filling retaining structures etc. No need to say who had to give way to who ay!
Can parallels be drawn between a car doing a burnout on somebody's perfect lawn, and motos doing deliberate damage to MTB trails?
Can't agree more with Cryline... if you abuse them, they're gonna do a static in the middle of the singletrack and gouge a huge divot as a gift to mountain bikers when we're not looking. WHo wins then??
Eee Gads
TOO TIGHT MY ARSE!! I saw motos cutting up the ho recently- dislodging numerous man hours of building and filling retaining structures etc. No need to say who had to give way to who ay!
REALLY.
Wow.
We are talking that new piece of single track????
If they can get to that there won't be much the handjobs can't get too.
Bugger.
Y
their own track
i race motocross it really annoys me when i hear of stupid people wrecking the trails that we all enjoy:)
there are heaps of mx tracks around and those two need to find one.
jarradale
where is the actual trails might go check it out so i can get fitter for
dh.